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Post by A.O.Freak on Jul 25, 2008 23:42:29 GMT -5
Thank you for the karma aofreak... As in every other country, the competitors first need to make the National Team.... then they have to compete in various qualifying events ( the first of this season is here in Vancouver in Sept.), I'm really a novice but think that they have to gather points at the world cups in order to qualify for the world championships, don't know exactly when the Olympic team is picked..Canada can send 6 men and 6 women...think it depends on points...they may even have been already chosen..I'm a bit confused myself...maybe someone can enlighten me.... However, those I've introduced here have done very well in the past and are very likely to be among the Olympic competitors bar any unforeseen injuries or happenings. Just when I think I understand it, I find out I don't. Thank heavens for sites like these where we can teach each other. I'm attending the World Cup in October and it will be the first live competition I've seen! Cheers, Musical Mom Hopefully if everything goes as planned ill be attending the world cup in Oct. also..there still so much i have to learn about the sport myself..once again thnx for all the fabulous pics and info  |
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Post by bubblebuttsbabe on Jul 26, 2008 4:19:50 GMT -5
I'm really a novice but think that they have to gather points at the world cups in order to qualify for the world championships, don't know exactly when the Olympic team is picked..Canada can send 6 men and 6 women...think it depends on points...they may even have been already chosen..I'm a bit confused myself...maybe someone can enlighten me.... Cheers, Musical Mom Okay, Musical Mom, I hope you're ready. LOL. I've had a lot of time on my hands, so I am more than happy to fill you in (with what I remember...during off-season, short track info always seems to leave me, then it comes back once Sept. rolls around. ;D). To qualify for Worlds, I don't believe there is a point system. There is a point system IN Worlds that allots rankings, but that's it. (In order for a team to participate in World TEAM Champs, they have to have a certain ranking (top 8) that is based off of the points they accumulate in the season.) You just have to make the team that is going (however your country qualifies...like the US, the team is chosen during US Champs - that team races for WC's 5 and 6 and World Champs and World Team Champs). I believe Canada uses their National Team Selections #2 for WC 5, 6, and Worlds/World Teams (It's in January, #1 is in September). The Canadian Olympic Team will be picked in a 12 day event...in August 2009 (at least that is what I remember from the articles, correct me I'm wrong). US' will be picked in September which is different than the previous trials which were in December. Oh and the 6 men/women teams are only for WC's. Their Oly teams are 5 men/women. The way it works for number of skaters for a WC is based on the final rankings of the skaters at the end of the previous season (I think)...if you have 3 skaters in the Top Ten (I think it's top ten), then you can have 3 INDIVIDUAL skaters, if not then it's just 2 (in the next season). If you have only 2 individual skaters (like the US women) then you only have 5 skaters total instead of 6 (like both Canadian teams); 4 members are relay team, 1 is the sub. It's the same for the Olys (5 total - 4 relay, 1 sub). I think that's it. Anything else? ;D |
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Post by musicalmom on Jul 26, 2008 17:48:24 GMT -5
Karma to you BBB!
Wow, that's amazingly complex, but gives me a much better idea of how things happen...I went on the press pages of CSS site and they listed
which skaters would compete in which World Cups for 2007-2008 ..so I mentioned this in my commentary (I just modified it) NOt sure though whether those names were for last year and if they include the rest of 2008 ( WC 1 & 2) They did say on the site that these were the teams for now...some had assigned coaches, others didn't yet. I guess it's safe to say that many of the skaters I met will likely be in the hunt as they have good track records, ie. Hamelin, Roberge, Overland, Steve Robillard but there are many other great skaters on the national team and I guess we'll see as the season progresses.
Thanks for taking the time to explain. I'll have to study your e-mail for awhile to process all that info!!You are amazingly well versed on short track rules and regulations. I didn't realize that there could be a different selection process for each country but it makes sense.All I know is that the skaters expressed to me that they feel that they have a very deep and strong field of skaters on the National team right now.
Musical Mom
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Post by A.O.Freak on Jul 26, 2008 20:20:14 GMT -5
I'm really a novice but think that they have to gather points at the world cups in order to qualify for the world championships, don't know exactly when the Olympic team is picked..Canada can send 6 men and 6 women...think it depends on points...they may even have been already chosen..I'm a bit confused myself...maybe someone can enlighten me.... Cheers, Musical Mom Okay, Musical Mom, I hope you're ready. LOL. I've had a lot of time on my hands, so I am more than happy to fill you in (with what I remember...during off-season, short track info always seems to leave me, then it comes back once Sept. rolls around. ;D). To qualify for Worlds, I don't believe there is a point system. There is a point system IN Worlds that allots rankings, but that's it. (In order for a team to participate in World TEAM Champs, they have to have a certain ranking (top 8) that is based off of the points they accumulate in the season.) You just have to make the team that is going (however your country qualifies...like the US, the team is chosen during US Champs - that team races for WC's 5 and 6 and World Champs and World Team Champs). I believe Canada uses their National Team Selections #2 for WC 5, 6, and Worlds/World Teams (It's in January, #1 is in September). The Canadian Olympic Team will be picked in a 12 day event...in August 2009 (at least that is what I remember from the articles, correct me I'm wrong). US' will be picked in September which is different than the previous trials which were in December. Oh and the 6 men/women teams are only for WC's. Their Oly teams are 5 men/women. The way it works for number of skaters for a WC is based on the final rankings of the skaters at the end of the previous season (I think)...if you have 3 skaters in the Top Ten (I think it's top ten), then you can have 3 INDIVIDUAL skaters, if not then it's just 2 (in the next season). If you have only 2 individual skaters (like the US women) then you only have 5 skaters total instead of 6 (like both Canadian teams); 4 members are relay team, 1 is the sub. It's the same for the Olys (5 total - 4 relay, 1 sub). I think that's it. Anything else? ;D thnx for the education BBB. I gotta admit also,i was wondering how short-track skaters were chosen for the olympics |
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Post by musicalmom on Jul 26, 2008 21:13:05 GMT -5
That would be great aaofreak. Then hopefully, I will get to meet you in October! Good luck with your planning.
Musical Mom
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Post by bubblebuttsbabe on Jul 27, 2008 0:23:57 GMT -5
Karma to you BBB! Wow, that's amazingly complex, but gives me a much better idea of how things happen...I went on the press pages of CSS site and they listed which skaters would compete in which World Cups for 2007-2008 ..so I mentioned this in my commentary (I just modified it) NOt sure though whether those names were for last year and if they include the rest of 2008 ( WC 1 & 2) They did say on the site that these were the teams for now...some had assigned coaches, others didn't yet. I guess it's safe to say that many of the skaters I met will likely be in the hunt as they have good track records, ie. Hamelin, Roberge, Overland, Steve Robillard but there are many other great skaters on the national team and I guess we'll see as the season progresses. Thanks for taking the time to explain. I'll have to study your e-mail for awhile to process all that info!!You are amazingly well versed on short track rules and regulations. I didn't realize that there could be a different selection process for each country but it makes sense.All I know is that the skaters expressed to me that they feel that they have a very deep and strong field of skaters on the National team right now. Musical Mom You're very welcome! Those names were for this past season. The one coming up is the 08-09 season. That team will be picked in Sept. I think each country qualifies as it fits to their ngb. I haven't really studied the other countries that much. When things pop up is when I look. LOL. Oh, I'm not very good with rules and regulations even after 6 years. They change things all the time, so it's sometimes hard to remember, at least for me. And yeah, Team Canada is pretty deep. I remember when I first starting paying attention, it seemed like the same skaters made the team all the time (just like Team USA). But it seemed over time that their National Team got deeper where as Team Korea is practically center of the world deep all the time. LOL. At least it seems like it. aofreak: you're welcome. and actually qualifying for the olys is something all together different. there's stuff for everything. ;D |
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Post by musicalmom on Jul 27, 2008 1:01:35 GMT -5
Ok, now I"m beginning to understand. 07-08 refers to the season not just the years....and that's what everyone is gearing up for as the first qualifying event is being held in Vancouver in mid Sept.....ah ha! I get it! I did some research and now realize that Olivier Jean was a medal winning relay racer before his accident...thats why he kept saying he was back on the "racing team"...So in addition to Charles, Amanda, Kalyna & Steve & Guillame, there is Charles' brother Francoise , the two Monette brothers, Tania, perhaps Olivier and perhaps some up and comers...that's 10 right off the top...wow...it might just be my misunderstanding, but they seem to be more worried about Korea & the U.S. than China...wasn't China a major power house country too? Even if Ahn is injured, I thought they were pretty deep as well. And didn't they loose a coach to the U.S. not long ago? I think he was a Korean? It is kind of nice to have at least 4 countries in the race with multiple players...didn't this sport initially belong to the Chinese? Just trying to get a context here.
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Post by dopeyrn on Jul 27, 2008 8:47:55 GMT -5
All Canadian and northwest US people, I have 2 questions about Vancouver. I live in New Orleans, where we have no fall foliage or icy roads. If I went to Vancouver I would have to drive from Seattle. Late October from what I can tell would be cool and rainy. Is there a fall foliage time up there? And what are the chances I could hit icy roads? I have never driven in icy conditions. Thanks!
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Post by number1fan on Jul 27, 2008 10:33:05 GMT -5
brought over from oz...
July 27, 2008
Cleveland Plain-Dealer | Ohioan trains for Winter Games in L.A.
[Tina Koenig] is a powerful and promising short-track speedskater who turned her life upside down by moving to Los Angeles two months ago. She left the comfortable surroundings of Salt Lake City, where she lived and trained with the U.S. national speedskating team, which also paid her a monthly stipend.
"I didn't get along with the coaches, and I took the chance and left," she said. "It's probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make in my life."
Koenig, 22, lost her stipend from U.S. Speedskating and is bouncing between the homes of three friends while scraping a living between her job and income from a health drink sponsor, FreeLife.
mtnme/lori...any chance that the rocker fund can assist tina...please?
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Post by mtnme on Jul 27, 2008 11:08:40 GMT -5
brought over from oz...
July 27, 2008
Cleveland Plain-Dealer | Ohioan trains for Winter Games in L.A.
[Tina Koenig] is a powerful and promising short-track speedskater who turned her life upside down by moving to Los Angeles two months ago. She left the comfortable surroundings of Salt Lake City, where she lived and trained with the U.S. national speedskating team, which also paid her a monthly stipend.
"I didn't get along with the coaches, and I took the chance and left," she said. "It's probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make in my life."
Koenig, 22, lost her stipend from U.S. Speedskating and is bouncing between the homes of three friends while scraping a living between her job and income from a health drink sponsor, FreeLife.
mtnme/lori...any chance that the rocker fund can assist tina...please? YOU BET!!!!! We watched Tina compete at WC6, so I know she has a lot of fans and supporters. |
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Post by musicalmom on Jul 27, 2008 12:59:23 GMT -5
All Canadian and northwest US people, I have 2 questions about Vancouver. I live in New Orleans, where we have no fall foliage or icy roads. If I went to Vancouver I would have to drive from Seattle. Late October from what I can tell would be cool and rainy. Is there a fall foliage time up there? And what are the chances I could hit icy roads? I have never driven in icy conditions. Thanks! Dopeyrn; If you come all the way from New Orleans and drive up from Seattle, I will personally beg the weather person for sunny skies and autumn leaves! Actually, I can pretty much promise you NO ICY ROADS at that time of year. End of October is Halloween season and we generally have a beautiful display of colored leaves until then although it can be cool. (jacket or sweater weather) Rain however, is always a possibility as our weather changes often and sometimes twice a day, so bring your raingear as well. The drive from Seattle is very straightforward. You get on the highway and go straight North to the border crossing at Blaine and then straight on that same freeway into Vancouver...when you cross the Oak Street Bridge you are in the city. With a map and the wind at your back you'll be here in no time. Depends on your driving but allow about 3 1/2 - 4 1/2 hours..faster after rush hour in the morning....don't forget your passport and a second picture id ( drivers license) to be on the safe side. Sometimes there are line ups at the border at rush hour in the evening . Hope I get to welcome you to beautiful Vancouver. I'm originally from Ohio where the fall leaves are intensely colored. They are not as vivid here but tend to be more golden and yet more reds than golden Colorado.Our weather change isn't as extreme as in the east. For sure bring your camera. Let me know if you have more questions I can help you with. Musical Mom  |
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Post by aaosmts19 on Jul 27, 2008 13:28:04 GMT -5
Oh, that's a shame about Tina....but hopefully in the long run it is the best decision; hopefully she'll get the training she needs and is much happier. So now how does this work? Is she still considered as part of the national team? Gotta wonder what "didn't get along with...." translated to...
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Post by susie on Jul 27, 2008 15:46:38 GMT -5
I have to admit that I was really surprised by Tina's decision. Wilma Boomstra offers excellent coaching, though, and if Tina feels that it's a better fit for her with the SoCal club, then more power to her.
I'd also like to see the Rocker Fund assist Tina, if she's open to it.
I guess that opens up another spot in SLC. I wonder who will get it?
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Post by susie on Jul 27, 2008 16:21:58 GMT -5
Seattle is a no-go for next year's Olympic Trials.  seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/olympics/2008075425_olynotes27.htmlNo skating trials for Seattle Looks like Apolo Ohno, the short-track speedskating star, won't be skating in front of hometown fans in Seattle any time soon. Seattle has abandoned plans to bid for the 2009 U.S. Olympic short-track trials, short-circuiting hopes that Ohno would compete here for the first time and before his possible retirement following the 2010 Vancouver Olympics. Ralph Morton, Seattle Sports Commission executive director, said the group had trouble finding a venue for the weeklong trials, used to select the U.S. team for the 2010 Games. Short-track speedskating requires Olympic-sized ice, a bigger sheet than a typical hockey rink, which ruled out KeyArena and the arena under construction in Kent. That, combined with the decision by U.S. Speedskating to move the trials from December to September to allow teams more time to train, made finding a venue even harder, Morton said. Comcast Arena in Everett could not commit 10 days to the event, Morton said, and Safeco Field would be booked by the Mariners. "We have not submitted a bid and it looks like we will not be able to," Morton said. Two Michigan cities, Marquette and Midland, are among those to bid to host the trials. Speedskating officials are expected to decide on a host city Monday.A speedskating federation representative had approached the city early this year about bidding. Estimated cost for installing ice is about $150,000, said Bob Crowley, speedskating's executive director. "We'll certainly look to Seattle in the future for other events," Crowley said. |
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Post by bubblebuttsbabe on Jul 27, 2008 21:11:45 GMT -5
Oh, that's a shame about Tina....but hopefully in the long run it is the best decision; hopefully she'll get the training she needs and is much happier. So now how does this work? Is she still considered as part of the national team? Gotta wonder what "didn't get along with...." translated to... I believe she's still on the national team; I don't think they take that away from her. It's similar to Shani when he decided not to train with the LT team (although for different reasons). USS just doesn't pay for her training. Not all of the National team train together, but a majority does. Musical Mom: USS got Coach Chae from SSC when they changed coaches two years ago. He's Korean. Now I know why Tina kept saying she was coming to LA (cause she moving LOL). Crazy. I hope everything works out for her. |
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