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Post by chla22 on Dec 7, 2008 2:58:03 GMT -5
You know I noticed tonight that at the bottom of the split page there is a "contact result service" and you can send an email. Maybe if there are enough complaints something will be done about it. It is frustrating especially when we are fans. I think if all of us band together maybe we can get some quality results. Let's do it!!
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Post by musicalmom on Dec 7, 2008 3:12:10 GMT -5
Mntme,
That is some response...duh!!! think they're a bit defensive?
Great idea chla22....lets inundate them with complaints from all the fan boards...would be interesting to see if we get a more detailed response...although I'd be surprised...some people just can't take responsibility for their actions/results...but it's worth a try.
I'll go look for the contact result service .....tomorrow...when I can think straight!
Bye for now,
Musical Mom
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Post by aaosmts19 on Dec 7, 2008 8:14:31 GMT -5
Good morning, all....waking up to disappointing results (with the exception of Kat, ....wtg GIRL!)... Looking thru the last few pages I didn't see a mention of the Relay....maybe I missed? But US came in 2nd behind Italy (  ?) in the B Round. The participants are listed as: Place Start Pos. Relay Team ISU Member Results Qual. SIMON Jeff CELSKI J.R. JAYNER Travis LOBELLO Anthony Leveille and AO didn't compete...injury? too tired? not wanting to risk getting hurt since they were in the B? It is so hard to really understand the whole story when you just have blinking numbers. SO many questions? Didn't Leveille have a spill at the start of the weekend? Or..since they were in the B final, maybe they wanted to give the experience to Celski and jeff. And what happened to AO, the anchor? Did they change the strategy since they were in the B? I noticed that the B final times were about 7.00.... and in Bejing our guys were skating at 6:42...that's quite a slow down. This whole season (so far) would make a really good book. The hopes and high-bar and expetations set,a and allof the personal stories, all the extenuating circumstances that pop up that weren't expected. Bad ice? Travel fatigue? Injury? illness? Strategy? Equipment problems? It's hard when we fans have expectation that we place so high on our team. We expect perfecction (come on, you know we really do). The problem is that we have no insught into reality...the real influences that shape the season. I wish we could understand each of their experiences...what was Jeff's strategy going into the weekend? What happened in each of his races? We have grown, in the past couple of years, into a more sophisticated fan base, I think, wanting to know more of the details and understand more of the sport and not just the personalities.... With Vancouver and SLC having had so many of our GA and OZ sistas present, tremendous 'inroads' were made to 'infiltrate' the world by being part of and being present. I'm hoping that when folks go to Nationals, a much more low key and friendly environment, we can perhaps get some stories as to what's going on, or what was going on. This will certainly help translate the story from the black and white of the flashing numbers, to the technical color of the human experience. Hey,....and since Jeff is a rocker-fund baby, he owes us some time and good insight! |
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Post by evie5 on Dec 7, 2008 8:33:42 GMT -5
19, I wondered many of the same things in looking at the Men's Relay results. Even looking at the Men's 500 final and other heats throughout the weekend and we can only make guesses as to what has happened. It wouldn't be so frustrating to us if we would have some kind of media information given back to us. I have been impressed with the media information given by the Canadians, which is nice, but they don't tell the story of what has happened to the USA.
Good job Team USA. We are proud of all of your accomplishments and efforts.
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Post by aaosmts19 on Dec 7, 2008 8:50:21 GMT -5
NAGANO, JAPAN - DECEMBER 07: (L-R) Silver medalist Katherine Reutter of the USA gold medalist Shin Sae-bom of South Korea and bronze medalist Kim Min-jung of South Korea pose for photographers on the podium at the award ceremony after the Ladies 1500m (2) final during the Samsung ISU World Cup Short Track 2008/2009 Nagano at Big Hat on December 7, 2008 in Nagano, Japan.  NAGANO, JAPAN - DECEMBER 07: (L-R) Silver medalist Charles Hamelin of Canada, gold medalist Lee Ho-suk of South Korea and bronze medalist Olivier Jean of Canada pose for photographers on the podium at the award ceremony after the Men's 1500m (2) final during the Samsung ISU World Cup Short Track 2008/2009 Nagano at Big Hat on December 7, 2008 in Nagano, Japan.  NAGANO, JAPAN - DECEMBER 07: Shin Sae-bom (L) of South Korea competes with Katherine Reutter of the USA and Kim Min-jung of South Korea in the Ladies 1500m (2) final during the Samsung ISU World Cup Short Track 2008/2009 Nagano at Big Hat on December 7, 2008 in Nagano, Japan.  And congrats to the Canadian Men's team for taking 1st in the relay!  |
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Post by number1fan on Dec 7, 2008 17:12:34 GMT -5
first of all...CONGRATS KAT!!!...way to represent.
sorry to hear there were no 'LIVE' results for those here last night. 
ISU is enept. they should have ALL the bugs worked out by now...absolutely no excuse. 
US Speedskating.org...where's TEAM USA's media coverage? 
looking forward to any news about Team USA from this wc event.
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Post by A.O.Freak on Dec 7, 2008 17:37:33 GMT -5
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Post by aaosmts19 on Dec 7, 2008 19:40:25 GMT -5
www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/winter/2008-12-07-4008341360_x.htmSouth Korea dominates short track World Cup NAGANO, Japan (AP) — South Korea's Lee Ho-suk won his second World Cup short track speedskating title in as many days Sunday, capturing the 1,500 meters. Lee clocked 2 minutes, 14.317 seconds at the Big Hat ice arena to finish ahead of Canadians Charles Hemelin and Olivier Jean. Lee won the 1,000 on Saturday. South Korea's Sung Si-bak took the 500 with a time of 41.741 seconds, while American Apolo Anton Ohno was fourth. China's Han Jialiang finished second and Thibaut Fauconnet of France was third. Canada won the men's 5,000 relay with a time of 6:50.268. South Korea was second followed by China. China's Wang Mengwon the women's 500 in 43.66, ahead of compatriots Liu Quihong and Fu Tian Lu. Wang also won the 1,000 on Saturday. South Korea's Shin Sae-bom took the 1,500 in 2:21.352. China won the 3,000 relay in 4:13.253. The Associated Press
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Post by mtnme on Dec 7, 2008 20:39:10 GMT -5
Sorry aaosmts19, guess we fell down on the job at the end. Here is the line up for the Men's Relay B final. Apolo didn't skate some of the qualifying rounds, which may have had something to do with them not making the A final. Place Start Pos. Relay Team ISU Member Results Qual.
1 3 ITALY
BEAN Nicolas
CONFORTOLA Yuri
RODIGARI Nicola
SERRA Roberto ITA 7:00.069
2 2 UNITED STATES
SIMON Jeff
CELSKI J.R.
JAYNER Travis
LOBELLO Anthony USA 7:00.372
3 1 RUSSIA
KURGINYAN Vyacheslav
KOZULIN Evgeny
PRANKEVITCH Sergei
ELISTRATOV Semion RUS 7:00.540
4 4 GREAT BRITAIN
ELEY Jon
STANLEY Paul
IVESON Tom
DOUGLAS Anthony GBR 7:02.332 But what you wrote was beautifully said, and made some very valid points, many of which hopefully got everyone thinking....but more importantly, looking at the bigger picture. 1) We're spoiled - admit it! LOL... We have gotten so used to Apolo consistantly winning, consistantly being on the medal podium, that we're stunned when he isn't. The 'blinking numbers' (or in this case, almost complete lack thereof - and you're right #1, after all the years ISU has been doing this, there really is no excuse), certainly don't tell the results accurately, let alone the tale. I don't believe for a second that all that talent and drive or his ability to win suddenly drained out of his body between last March and this season. Nor do I believe he ever steps out on the ice with the intent of losing or not even trying to win. 2) Man, are we tough on our heros! They have to win, and they have to do it everytime, or it's cause for rending of clothing and knashing of teeth! AAARRRRHH! And what a tough spot- and a tough sport, any athlete that participates in Short Track finds themselves in. In SLC in October, as we chattered are last thoughts on the sidewalk with Andrew Love and his wife as we headed for our cars, he said something that was very telling of this sport, and the athletes that participate in it. He said "The type of athletes who participate in ST are perfectionists, those who constantly strive to better themselves and push themselves to the next and higher level. They are athletes in ST, because they finally found a sport they couldn't beat." And ya know what? In an odd and totally different sort of way - I get that. What I do for a living has nothing to do with athletics. There are so many avenues of Interior Design I could have gone into - but one of the reasons I was drawn into Kitchen and Bath design is that it is so highly technical, requires that I know so many diciplines (construction, plumbing, electrical, materials, space planning, style, period, etc etc) that I know no matter how many years I do it, I will never truly ever master it. I also know my personality well enough, that if I was relegated to doing nothing but picking out paint colors for walls and ordering window treatments and sofa fabrics, I would be so excruciatingly bored, I'd want to put a gun in my mouth and end it all. Being in a profession (or a sport) for which you will never be completely its master can be very frustrating - but you CAN say this for it - you're certainly never bored. 3) With WC 4 being the last competition before Nationals, it may have had a lot more to do with getting all of the skaters one last opportunity for International experience as opposed to just winning. ST is an ever changing and volitile sport. The games the same.... It's the faces that change. I was so excited about the skaters who made the Men's team at Am Cup 1. Apolo was a given. But how wonderful to see Anthony and Travis who fought their way back onto the WC team after not being able to do so last December. JR who FINALLY 'made it to the show'. Ryan who was so strong on last seasons team but made it on by the hair of his chinny-chin-chin this time. And then there's Jeff. Always a real scrapper of a skater, but he was a wild man out there on the ice. But oh how he's improved this season, which so much more control. (I no longer have the intense urge to cover my eyes, wince and pray as he's coming out of a turn)  But in a mere couple of weeks, that team- and their fortunes may all change. Last season it was Simon Cho, this season it was JR. Will either of these up and coming skaters make it back on the team, or will it be another of their young peers who wins the brass ring? It may possibly be none of them at all, as the other senior skaters roar back with a vengeance. Jordan's off the injury list- and you know he'll be hungry to win his place back on that World Team. Was Ryans DNS this weekend due to injury, and one serious enough to take him out of competition and his current spot on the team? Or will he pull a rabbit out of the hat ....even if it is by the hair of his chinny-chin-chin yet again. As I write this, there are still skaters missing off of USS roster. Along with Anthony Lobello and Ryan Levielle, the mia include JP Kepka and Alex Izykowski. Injured or just late with their paperwork? Yowza, Yowza, step right up folks, and roll the dice or spin that wheel. Where it will land and who's fortunes may change in a couple of weeks, is anybody's guess. 4) and speaking of those faces that change, isn't it a good thing that the US team finally has some depth? Instead of just Apolo..............aaaaannnnndd then everybody else. The last 4 WC for the Men's team saw not just Apolo on the medal stand, but Jeff with two bronzes, Anthony with a silver, and the whole team with two golds and a silver for the relay - really in the grand scheme of things ....not bad for the first half of the season for a team not known for having any consistant players other than Apolo. 5) and that's just the Guys. This weekend was the girls turn to shine a bit. Allison, who consistantly has been on the podium 3 competitions out of 4, and Katherine with a silver. Kimberly who got her medal at WC1, and Aly, the new kid on the block, with some much needed international Senior experience. Viewed in that light- Team USA's future is actually looking quite bright. 6) I agree aaosmts19, what a fascinating book or even a documentary that would make. Instead of a 'day in the life', one could follow Team USA for a season. (though I have a feeling that a camera dogging Team USA around 24/7 would wear on their last nerve and would affect their performance) That would be 'no bueno'. 7) and lastly, and I'll get off my Team USA cheerleading stint, - Jeff may be our current Rocker Fund baby, but he might only be moved to indulge us with some insider tidbits if we send in those checks. So don't forget in the midst of the crazy holiday season, to take care of our boy!  |
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Post by aaosmts19 on Dec 7, 2008 21:10:19 GMT -5
Sorry aaosmts19, guess we fell down on the job at the end. Here is the line up for the Men's Relay B final. Apolo didn't skate some of the qualifying rounds, which may have had something to do with them not making the A final. wow mtnme, thanks, thank, thanks! In all of hte blinking lights and time differences, I never picked up on the fact that he wasn't in some qualifying rounds. And thanks, thank, thanks for your insight and speculation..sometimes it gets kind of dry just seeing posted results, pictures and articles posted. I mean, come on, we need all of this,,,,,it's why we're here. But unless you can have some perspective on what's going on, and participate in some real discussion, it gets a bit old after a while. I mean, we know this team isn't made up of a bunch of automatrons...they are hard-working athletes with determination, guts, hopes, disappointments, hurts, goals, plans; we lose site of the fact that they do have another life outside of sports (albeit limited at the moment). Sometimes it's hard to remember the human side of the racing...that each race has its own story....and its especially hard when we are so far removed from the human story....... |
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Post by musicalmom on Dec 8, 2008 0:52:07 GMT -5
Hi All; Hopefully you've had a chance to get some rest today after our long marathon at W.Cup #3 and W. Cup #4. Thank you to each of you for your thoughtful posts concerning results of this last competition and support for our guys and gals who have the dedication, persistence, and courage to have chosen short track as their sport of choice. This is not a sport for the faint of heart, either competitors or fans and I've been inspired by the heart shown by our team, and by our fellow board members in their intense participation during this first half of the World Cup Season. Hopefully, everyone will have some time now with family and friends over the holidays to relax and rejuvenate in preparation for Nationals and the next half of World Cup Season. To that end, I've found the schedule posted on the Canadian Speed Skating Association website...thought I'd bring it here so we can plan for future on-line marathons. It's been a pleasure sharing all this time with you. Thank you for teaching me so much about short track and our team. This is definitely a fan group with HEART lol Musical Mom 2008-09 Season Date ST/LT Event Location Information October 17-19 ST World Cup #1 Salt Lake City, October 24-26 ST World Cup #2 Vancouver, BC November 28-30 ST World Cup #3 Beijing, CHN December 5-7 ST World Cup #4 Nagano, JPN January 9-11 ST World Junior Championships Sherbrooke, QC February 6-8 ST World Cup #5 Sofia, BUL February 13-15 ST World Cup #6 Dresden, GER February 19-23 ST FISU Games Harbin, CHN March 6-8 ST World Short Track Championship Vienna, AUT March 14-15 ST World ST Team Championships Heerenveen, NED (Hope I got all of them, had to take out all long track announcements here because it wouldn't edit on website) We'll have lots of flashing numbers to watch during the winter...maybe if we all write ISU, they'll fix their bloody system ! A special thanks to mntme lori 19 aofreak chla22 (and anyone else I may have missed) for your positive and insightful observations and comments re: the last 3 days...the more time we spend in Apolo's world, the more we learn and the better we understand this amazing young man..but he is human...he has up and down moments like we all do, he catches cold, gets tired, etc. yet he never gives up or quits in pursuit of his goals..it's all about THE JOURNEY ...and I'm grateful he's taken us with him. Happy Holidays. Musical Mom    |
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Post by bubblebuttsbabe on Dec 8, 2008 2:25:13 GMT -5
The 'blinking numbers' (or in this case, almost complete lack thereof - and you're right #1, after all the years ISU has been doing this, there really is no excuse), certainly don't tell the results accurately, let alone the tale. As much as I agree - I also know I can't completely fault ISU for the "blinking numbers." After FinishLynx left at the end of the 2005-2006 season, they had to find a replacement and I'm assuming with all of the "references" that st-sportservice has ISU put their trust in them, but I would have thought that they would have gotten a better handle on this already seeing as they have some expertise in this kind of a thing. However, as a client - I would be demanding a better product, but that's just me.  |
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Post by aaosmts19 on Dec 8, 2008 6:48:08 GMT -5
seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/snowsports/2008480417_winter08.html• Apolo Anton Ohno of Seattle finished fourth in the men's 500-meter final in a World Cup short-track speedskating event in Nagano, Japan. Sung Si-bak of South Korea triumphed in 42.041 seconds. Ohno's time was 42.428. Wang Meng of China won the women's 500 in 43.759 ===================== www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5ijv_dGVp3G5S7RgrfsmTB19jG9DwCanadians win four medals at short track speed skating World CupNAGANO, Japan — Canadians won four medals at a short-track speedskating World Cup event Sunday, including a gold by the men's 5,000-metre relay team. Charles Hamelin of Levis, Que., picked up silver while Olivier Jean of Lachenaie, Que., earned bronze in the men's 1,500, while the women's 3,000-metre relay also picked up a bronze. The men's relay squad won the 5,000 in six minutes 50.268 seconds, edging out South Korea at 6:51.137. China was third in 6:52.207. Hamelin claimed silver in the 1,500 in a time of 2:14.524, just a hair behind South Korean Lee Ho-suk at 2:14.317. Jean was half-a-second back at 2:15.071. The women's relay squad took bronze in 4:15.896 over two seconds behind gold medallist China's 4:13.253. South Korea was second at 4:13.320. ================= 39 great pics here: www.zimbio.com/pictures/KRHaot0XUWq/Short+Track+World+Cup+Nagano+Day+3/zU73hdCrjh4and 2 particulary fun ones....  
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Post by A.O.Freak on Dec 8, 2008 7:32:06 GMT -5
Thnx AAO, the canadians look like their glowing  |
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Post by number1fan on Dec 8, 2008 13:16:24 GMT -5
 Samsung ISU World Cup Short Track
08 Dec 2008 07:26
The fourth stop of the 2008-09 Samsung ISU World Cup Short Track season was held this weekend in Nagano, Japan. The Korean team had an impressive weekend, tallying a total of 13 medals in Nagano, ending the first portion of the Samsung ISU World Cup Short Track season on a strong note.
The Chinese team continued on their strong form from the previous weekend, earning 8 medals in Nagano. The Canadian team earned 6 medals for a second consecutive weekend. The other teams to leave Nagano with medals were the United States (2 medals) and France (1 medal).
This weekend’s Samsung ISU World Cup Short Track schedule had the athletes compete in the 1500 meters distance twice. In both the ladies and men’s events, the Korean dominated the podium in this distance. In the first ladies 1500m, Jung-Su Lee (Korea) took the win ahead of her teammate Sae-Bom Shin. For a second consecutive weekend, Allison Baver (United States) earned a third place finish. In the second ladies 1500m, Sae-Bom Shin finished first ahead of American Katherine Reutter. Third place went to Min-Jung Kim of Korea. In the World Cup distance classification, Yang Zhou (China) is in the lead after six races.
On the men’s side, Korean skaters took the win in both the 1500 meters events. In the first event, it was Jung-Su Lee winning ahead of teammate Si-Bak Sung. Francois-Louis Tremblay (Canada) finished third. In the second event, Korean Ho-Suk Lee won ahead of two Canadian skaters: Charles Hamelin (second) and Olivier Jean (third). Jung-Su Lee leads the World Cup distance classification in the 1500m so far this season.
In the ladies 500 meters, the Chinese domination continued, with all three podium places going to a skater from China. Meng Wang won the event, and in doing so, regained the lead of the World Cup classification in this distance. Second place went to Quihong Li, and third place to Tian Yu Fu. In the men’s 500 meters event, Korean skater Si-Bak Sung won the event ahead of Jialiang Han of China. Third place finish went to Thibaut Fauconnet of France, earning the country’s first World Cup medal of the season. The distance World Cup classification lead is held by Si-Bak Sung.
Meng Wang of China also had a strong showing in the ladies 1000 meters event. In winning this weekend’s event, Meng Wang increased her lead in the World Cup distance classification. So far this season, she has won four of the five races. Second place in this weekend’s ladies 1000m event went to Quihong Liu (China) while third place went to Shin-Young Yang (Korea). On the men’s side, the Koreans had a second consecutive one-two podium finish weekend. The podium result was in fact the same as in Beijing, a mere week ago, with Ho-Suk Lee crossing the line first, ahead of his teammate Yoon-Gy Kwak. Charles Hamelin (Canada) was third. Both Ho-Suk Lee and Yoon-Gy Kwak share the points lead in the World Cup distance classification.
The weekend concluded with the relay events. The ladies Chinese team continued their domination in the 3000 meters relay event, keeping their perfect record after four rounds of the Samsung ISU World Cup Short Track. Second place finish went to the team from Korea, while the Canadians took third place. In the men’s 5000 meters relay event, the Canadian men’s relay team took their first win of the year, finishing ahead of Korea (second), and China (third). With the win, Canada also takes the lead in the World Cup distance classification.
The 2008-09 Samsung ISU World Cup Short Track circuit takes a break for the holiday season, and will resume in Sofia, Bulgaria on February 6-8, 2009.
www.isu.org/vsite/vcontent/content/transnews/0,10869,4844-128590-19728-18885-292299-3787-4771-layout160-129898-news-item,00.html
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..Is that a good thing or a bad thing?? I hope that doesnt hurt his chances for the Olympics.. And CONGRATS to Kat!! someone should makes shirts saying "Katherine the Great!!" 
