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Post by chla22 on Dec 20, 2008 14:58:48 GMT -5
I heard the same thing and I want to get one too. Maybe if someone reads this they can help us out on getting one. I would also like to get a set of the "hero cards". Does anyone know where we can get them also?? Great watching these races...especially the men's 500 final.(both of them, haha)  |
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Post by August on Dec 20, 2008 15:12:05 GMT -5
 Apolo: If I'm not winning, nobody's winning! Don't hit me, I'm kidding! That was awesome though. Granted it wasn't the race we thought we were going to see, but amazing just the same. I'm glad no one got hurt. Our boy took 'em out like bowling pins!  I wonder what all that drama between the two races was about 
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Post by chla22 on Dec 20, 2008 15:25:37 GMT -5
I called my friend who is there today and he said that after stopping the race they tried to DQ Apolo for impeding. But the ruling says that when you restart a race it goes back to the original start with the original skaters. Did you see the official try to push Apolo off the ice? You could tell he didn't want to go. My friend said you could see the coach argue with the official about the call. What a race!!  Does anyone have the current standings up to now for the meet?? I am impressed with the women. Seems like they are getting more powerful. Too bad Katherine was DQ'd. Hope that doesn't hurt her too badly in the standings.  |
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Post by sk8on on Dec 20, 2008 15:50:50 GMT -5
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Post by aaosmts19 on Dec 20, 2008 16:57:01 GMT -5
I called my friend who is there today and he said that after stopping the race they tried to DQ Apolo for impeding. But the ruling says that when you restart a race it goes back to the original start with the original skaters. Did you see the official try to push Apolo off the ice? You could tell he didn't want to go. My friend said you could see the coach argue with the official about the call. What a race!! I had to step out and missed the 'first' 500 final...came back in during the lull while the announcer was waiting to hear what the deal was. It was really dramatic watching Apolo by himself off to the side, talking with the official! But they wouldn't stop a race if someone was impeding, would they? Wouldn't they just dq that person? Waiting to hear from others who were there..... The field for the final was such a strong field, ... they were all like thoroughbreds, breathing fire before the start but having to stay 'settled' to get a good start....very exciting race. |
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Post by aaosmts19 on Dec 20, 2008 18:15:11 GMT -5
www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/2008-12-20-511561931_x.htm Jayner, Derrick win 500-meter finals CHESTERFIELD, Mo. (AP) — A late crash by Apolo Anton Ohno allowed Travis Jayner to win the 500-meter final Saturday at the U.S Short Track Speedskating Championship. The wild finish completed a confusing race that the referee ordered rerun. Kimberly Derrick captured a smoothly run women's final. Ohno was in the lead when he tripped over a block coming out of the final turn of the last lap and took Jordan Malone to the ice. Jayner won in 43.958 seconds and Malone recovered to take second in 44.498. He was followed by Ohno and J.R. Celski. Ohno fell going into the third turn during the initial running of the final and was followed to the ice by Jayner and Celski. The referee quickly whistled the race dead because he determined the results of the race would have been skewed because of the three falls.After some confusion whether Ohno should be disqualified, the race was held again with all four competitors. Ohno, who won a gold medal in the 500 at the 2006 Olympics, took the lead from the start in the second running and held it until his late fall. In the women's race, Derrick held the lead from the start and finished in 45.984 seconds. Maria Garcia took second in 46.032 and was followed by Alyson Dudek and Allison Baver. Competitors earn points based on their finish in five events. The top five men and top five women will represent the U.S. at the World Cup events in February and the World Championships in Vienna in March. Ohno has the overall lead with 2,140 points, followed by J.R. Celski and Jeffrey Simon. Derrick is first for the women with 2,200, followed by Katherine Reutter and Alyson Dudek.
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Post by sk8on on Dec 20, 2008 18:56:36 GMT -5
I called my friend who is there today and he said that after stopping the race they tried to DQ Apolo for impeding. But the ruling says that when you restart a race it goes back to the original start with the original skaters. Did you see the official try to push Apolo off the ice? You could tell he didn't want to go. My friend said you could see the coach argue with the official about the call. What a race!! chla22, I thought that was the rule as well but I did some searching and according to USS: If during the race any irregularity affecting the result does take place, the Referee may stop the race and order an immediate re-start of the race. If the distance has been completed the Referee may order a re-run of the race. Should any of the skaters have been disqualified in the initial part of the race they will not take part in the re-start or re-run.So, that whole fuss in-between the races may have been on whether the DQ should have been called to begin with. |
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Post by autumnsbliss on Dec 20, 2008 19:39:59 GMT -5
I called my friend who is there today and he said that after stopping the race they tried to DQ Apolo for impeding. But the ruling says that when you restart a race it goes back to the original start with the original skaters. Did you see the official try to push Apolo off the ice? You could tell he didn't want to go. My friend said you could see the coach argue with the official about the call. What a race!! chla22, I thought that was the rule as well but I did some searching and according to USS: If during the race any irregularity affecting the result does take place, the Referee may stop the race and order an immediate re-start of the race. If the distance has been completed[glow=red,2,300][/glow] the Referee may order a re-run of the race. Should any of the skaters have been disqualified in the initial part of the race they will not take part in the re-start or re-run.So, that whole fuss in-between the races may have been on whether the DQ should have been called to begin with. Yes and it was THIS argument that got Apolo back on. If they would have completed the race and decided to rerun it then Apolo would have gotten the DQ for the impeding and not start the re-run race. I was right by the box when the official was trying to escort push Apolo off the ice. Apolo was trying to make his case to the official but as any athlete knows it's up to your coach to be your lawyer and to stay far away from confrontation with an official personally. And WOW was his coach making his case. Along with the audience who were none too happy either. Onto the falls in question. By my observation the first trip was due to Apolo accidentally clipping his back skate when getting ready to start into the turn. I was worried for a second on the way he hit the mat because he actually pushed the mat up exposing the wall. The second fall looked to be on closer review that Apolo's ankle just gave out (possibly slip) when pushing in the straight way for the finish. Been REALLY excited to see the races so far and have many pictures which to load tonight. Question though for the true Apoloette insiders, did anyone notice Jeff Simon and his back problems today? Any word if something was wrong because I notice that throughout all his races today his form and the way he was holding it definitely showed that something wasn't right. |
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Post by chla22 on Dec 20, 2008 19:46:56 GMT -5
Exactly...what my friend told me was Apolo tripped and fell flat on the front side of his body, slid quite a ways and wiped out the other skaters. The two other skaters were about to round a corner when he slid. He wasn't sure why he fell, but maybe that was what the officials were looking at. My friend said that he was in front of the two others when he went down and didn't look like he interfered with anyone(said it happened so fast). Obviously there was confusion on the ice...Apolo looked upset as was the coach. My friend thinks they were looking at both the fall and the collision. In the article posted above it sounded like they restarted it because too many skaters were down. Didn't mean to confuse anyone about the rules but my friend overheard that if it is restarted like that then all skaters would skate.(I'll clue him in) Just glad no one got hurt or DQ'd. On the lighter side my friend thought it very interesting to watch how all these guys train together and ARE friends, but today on the ice they were very CHILLY to each other.(at least till after the race) Then they were buds again!!   |
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Post by chla22 on Dec 20, 2008 20:00:58 GMT -5
Ok Autumsbliss....so let me get this straight.....IF the race was COMPLETED....and OVER with, then they could have DQ'd him??? But since it was NOT completed then restarted, then ALL skaters would skate?? So what my friend was saying was right?? Just want to make sure I understand.  BTW my friend noticed Jeff's condition also....and said he saw him struggling with it off the ice too  |
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Post by sk8on on Dec 20, 2008 20:15:39 GMT -5
Ok Autumsbliss....so let me get this straight.....IF the race was COMPLETED....and OVER with, then they could have DQ'd him??? But since it was NOT completed then restarted, then ALL skaters would skate?? So what my friend was saying was right?? Just want to make sure I understand. BTW my friend noticed Jeff's condition also....and said he saw him struggling with it off the ice too Hmm, that isn't how I understood the rule as I read it. The 're-start' and 're-run' seem to be slightly different things, but in either a 're-start' (where the race isn't completed) or a 're-run' (where the race is initially completed) the official can call a DQ and that DQ remains in force. But, I wasn't there so I don't know what exactly the coach's/official's argument was. So, technically since the race wasn't completed the first time they ordered a 're-start' and not a 're-run??' These rules can get pretty confusing autumnbliss, thank you for your first-hand account. ...and, chla22, thanks for sharing some of your friend's observations as well. |
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Post by autumnsbliss on Dec 20, 2008 20:39:16 GMT -5
You are correct Chla! Since the official did stop the race before everyone finishing Apolo's impeding does not count. Though Apolo's impeding was obviously not intentional it did get in the way of the other skaters (Travis and Jordon), hence why he was called for impeding, but as we all know it did not count since the race was called dead before completion. I also think this is why it took so long and a lot of frustration on Apolo and coaches. I would think this has not been the first time something like this happens and I would definitely think for a long time skater like Apolo and his coaches the rules of Speedskating are probably memorized. Yeah, I want to say the quarterfinals Jeff's back was hurting a lot (very noticeable that something was wrong). I'm pretty sure one the trainers went into see what was up after that race. Then the rest of the races though it didn't seem as bad as before still very noticeable. I hope it feels better by tomorrow. Watching both guys and ladies race you can see their individual focus on each person. The ladies can be even more competitive then the men (I'm pretty sure the announcer said the the ladies beat some of the men's quarterfinals race times) and you can definitely see much it in races with many taking it right out to force. Katherine Reutter is so fun and sweet. Her parents and family are really nice too, had some conversation being from Illinois myself been a fan of hers for awhile and it was great meeting her.  I will say the two families that went all out for this meet would be the Reutters and Derricks. The Reutter Clan had green sweatshirts that said "Rootin' for Reutter" and the Derrick family had to be the LOUDEST cheer base that their noise base along could out power a stadium. |
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Post by autumnsbliss on Dec 20, 2008 20:53:04 GMT -5
Hmm, that isn't how I understood the rule as I read it. The 're-start' and 're-run' seem to be slightly different things, but in either a 're-start' (where the race isn't completed) or a 're-run' (where the race is initially completed) the official can call a DQ and that DQ remains in force. But, I wasn't there so I don't know what exactly the coach's/official's argument was. So, technically since the race wasn't completed the first time they ordered a 're-start' and not a 're-run??' These rules can get pretty confusing I guess I missed this part. So now I'm thinking that Apolo was not DQed by the impeding because what it states above. I'm going say the "initial" is before the race started meaning any false starters who got DQ "initially" or before the official race started will not be allowed to participate in the "re-start" or "re-run". Meaning even if Apolo (along with the rest of the field) finished and was DQed for impeding if the officials decided to re-run it Apolo would indeed be allowed to be in the race. This my best assumption because I'm pretty darn sure Apolo did impede (once again not intentionally of course). |
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Post by aaosmts19 on Dec 20, 2008 21:12:32 GMT -5
"Ohno fell going into the third turn during the initial running of the final and was followed to the ice by Jayner and Celski. The referee quickly whistled the race dead because he determined the results of the race would have been skewed because of the three falls."
Doesn't this sound like the 2002 race, when everyone but Steve Bradbury went down and Bradbury took the gold?
Thanks to all for your insight and interpretation of the rules.
Which coach was arguing for Apolo? Larry? Jimmy? Pretty interesting since the coaches represensted all of the them!
Also noticed in pics from yesterday that he's wearing the new boots...2 falls in 2 races...ow!
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Post by chla22 on Dec 20, 2008 21:16:50 GMT -5
I do think it is confusing and I think the rule could be worded better to be more clear.....but honestly how often has this actually happened?? I can't remember when....  Especially that close to the end of a race. I think the officials needed to sort it out also. Oh well, just glad EVERYONE got to race again. Autumsbliss.....thanks for all the details  If you are going tomorrow we want details.....lots of them!! You are NOT allowed to take a potty break either!! HAHA |
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