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Post by billiey36 guest on Aug 25, 2006 22:59:45 GMT -5
"Just after the Olympics, Apolo wrote a letter that was posted on his website, praising Shani and that Shani was owed an apology for what had been said about him during the
time of that race."
Apolo posted the link to an article that was written saying that Shani was owed an apology. It was nice to see the media admitting that some of them made a mistake.
If the link has disappeared from Apolo's website, the article may not be available any longer.
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Post by Ruffian of Old on Aug 25, 2006 23:00:28 GMT -5
Thanks Fugly Eunuch, the feeling is mutual.  Maria, I can't know where to take this until you reply. If you want to mix it up, well then, you shall find me apt enough to that, sir. But you should know, you're completely wrong about me. I don't think my ethics are better than anyone elses' because I don't believe I have ethics. And I can be a real ditch. And not the pizzly, holier than thou, passive aggressive kind. I'm the aggressive kind. |
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Post by MT on Aug 25, 2006 23:03:22 GMT -5
Coincidentally, this reminded me of you (Ruffian & Fugly) FOOLING OURSELVES "Inherent human bias is reflected in studies that show that the average person believes they are less biased and more ethical than others (in addition to being smarter and thinner). That is, we tend to see ourselves as ethical and unbiased, but believe that not so much to be the case for others." This is only part of the article Courtesy The San Diego Union-Tribune, Friday, August 25, 2006 I am shocked, shocked that someone identifying themselves as "fugly eunuch" could be, with any seriousness, accused of having delusions of grandeur. Oh, the irony. I also think if you all are going to get nasty and have a little pissing contest you should spare the board and move it to the pms. Vieled insults are ever so tedious and I have been reminded already today that these boards are for Apolo luvin only. So, join up and PM hatefully at will or bugger off, as Duchess might say and Pirate Jack certainly would. |
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Post by guest on Aug 25, 2006 23:13:41 GMT -5
Heiden and Jansen were both critical of Shani for not being a "team player", like Hendrick. I don't know if they changed their opinion once they got the whole story or not. According to an interview I read with Shani, he received a lot of racist email at the Olympics during the whole brouhaha. Shani and his mother are probably pretty touchy on the subject, although you can't blame everything on racism. Sometimes people are nasty for other reasons. I agree that Shani's mom has to take a different approach to any perceived problems. The anger that Shani's mom has goes back a few years. It's mostly directed at USS and the USOC. Shani is a great guy but she puts him in a bad light. Like the interview that he did with Melissa Stark after he won his gold medal. He came across as a jerk because his mom hated NBC too. He did redeem himself when he let Matt Lauer interview him later. The USOC and USS could have stepped in and said something when Chad Hedrick was running his mouth but they didn't. I don't blame Cheri for being upset about that. Shani didn't deserve that abuse. |
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Post by Maria on Aug 25, 2006 23:28:57 GMT -5
I won't entertain your thoughts any further (both Ruffian & Fugly)...it is highly intriguing how both of you seem to be 'one personality'. I've stated before I'm a very direct person, hardly passive/aggressive. As for being bored, yes, from those who try to dictate how one should act or not act to a situation (Shani's).
MT- your posts aren't entirely Apolo related, either.
Peggy was the only person displaying some type of rational reasoning for this thread.
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Post by mt unplugged on Aug 25, 2006 23:34:37 GMT -5
Heiden and Jansen were both critical of Shani for not being a "team player", like Hendrick. I don't know if they changed their opinion once they got the whole story or not. According to an interview I read with Shani, he received a lot of racist email at the Olympics during the whole brouhaha. Shani and his mother are probably pretty touchy on the subject, although you can't blame everything on racism. Sometimes people are nasty for other reasons. I agree that Shani's mom has to take a different approach to any perceived problems. The anger that Shani's mom has goes back a few years. It's mostly directed at USS and the USOC. Shani is a great guy but she puts him in a bad light. Like the interview that he did with Melissa Stark after he won his gold medal. He came across as a jerk because his mom hated NBC too. He did redeem himself when he let Matt Lauer interview him later. The USOC and USS could have stepped in and said something when Chad Hedrick was running his mouth but they didn't. I don't blame Cheri for being upset about that. Shani didn't deserve that abuse. I don't think Shani would have much trouble digging himself out of the PR hole that was dug for him by Chad, USS and his mother and that he promptly stumbled into. Or, he won't if his mother would leave it alone instead of endlessly bringing up his victimization with such vitriol. Shani may not be able to wrap the press around his little finger like his friend, Apolo, but, left with out people actively (if unintentionally, in Sheri's case) sabotaging his image at every turn, his sweet nature and dedication to his sport do shine thru. The public has a very short memory and will quickly forget the Torino fiasco if people quit dredging it up. After all, how many people remember bad boy Apolo who rigged the National's (supposedly and there is plenty of circumstantial and annecdotal evidence) so his buddy could be on the team, or Apolo who rolled his car at SL or the early Apolo who was definitely not known as a good sport but a trash talker on the start line? |
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Post by fugly eunuch on Aug 25, 2006 23:52:16 GMT -5
That was really wierd to be accused of being you Ruffian. Maybe flattering, too or maybe insulting to have lost my identity. Although why we (I?) would bother, I can't imagine.
I come to this site to have conversations with other intelligent people. If Iwanted to talk to myself, I'd not be here.
I do think Billey and Bella might take exception to being accused of irrationality. I'm still not even the least bit clear on what started this unless Maria is Sheri but then, other posters made it pretty clear they felt Sheri's actions had done a disservice to Shani also so, ...... I'm just not following this at all. Either I'm not as bright as I thought I was, Maria isn't as clear as she thnks she is, or me being but a shadow of Ruffian's greatness has addled my thinky stuff.
I am still thinner than your average porky american.
Oh yes, I'll also join up the better to pm and be pm'd as soon as I figure it out. It sure beats typing in the spastic secutity stuff every time, anyway.
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Post by billiey36 guest on Aug 25, 2006 23:54:30 GMT -5
"After all, how many people remember bad boy Apolo who rigged the National's (supposedly and there is plenty of circumstantial and annecdotal evidence) so his buddy could be on the team, or Apolo who rolled his car at SL or the early Apolo who was definitely not known as a good sport but a trash talker on the start line?"
This is why some of us wonder why some of you are on an Apolo fan board and are surprised that we like Apolo. Do you not understand what a fan board is?
Most of us do remember the rigging investigation and that there was no evidence found to support it, that the auto accident was apparently due to black ice (you're kidding, right?--being in an automobile accident is a character flaw?), and the trash talking was a remnant of his inline skating years where it was the norm which he dropped when he saw it wasn't done in speed skating.
Why post on a board where you either don't like or aren't interested in the subject?
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Post by Oh No Its Bowie on Aug 26, 2006 0:02:13 GMT -5
it was undoubtedly your verbiage that gave you away, eunuch.
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Post by Bowie Saves on Aug 26, 2006 0:11:52 GMT -5
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Post by MT on Aug 26, 2006 0:16:08 GMT -5
"After all, how many people remember bad boy Apolo who rigged the National's (supposedly and there is plenty of circumstantial and annecdotal evidence) so his buddy could be on the team, or Apolo who rolled his car at SL or the early Apolo who was definitely not known as a good sport but a trash talker on the start line?" This is why some of us wonder why some of you are on an Apolo fan board and are surprised that we like Apolo. Do you not understand what a fan board is? Most of us do remember the rigging investigation and that there was no evidence found to support it, that the auto accident was apparently due to black ice (you're kidding, right?--being in an automobile accident is a character flaw?), and the trash talking was a remnant of his inline skating years where it was the norm which he dropped when he saw it wasn't done in speed skating. Why post on a board where you either don't like or aren't interested in the subject? Oh, man, Billey. Please don't start the I love Apolo more than you, tonight. I think the man is absolutely magnificent as a skater, an object of passionate fantasy, a terrific example of sportsmanship, etc, etc. He is not, however, a cardboard cut out but a real live man with some few but not nonexistent flaws and I love and appreciate and am inspired by how he has overcome all of his past setbacks and demons. That is utterly beside the point, though. The conversation (whose topic YOU are now hijacking) was about Shani, another guy who is an amazing athlete, a handsome man, and a terrific athlete. His press has been absolutely rotten, as was Apolo's at one time, but people forgive and or forget especially when the person and ALL players on his team start acting with poise dignity and grace. Now layoff. I swear to god I don't know what your problem is with me but it is tiresome. Utterly, boringly tiresome. If you really think turning me off so thouroughly by your digs will drive me away from this site so it can be all pure and aligned perfectly to your way of thinking, you are absolutely correct. Then you can play in your sandbox all by yourself and welcome to it. P.S. If Ruffian and Fugly are the same person, than is Maria your hatchet man? Bella, my most humble apologies, and I don't do humble very well or very often. I'll try a bit more patience tomorrow and throw fricken rose petals instead of daggers at utterly unprovoked attacks next time. But tonight, yuck. Mindless psycho fan worship just isn't in me. (Yeah, that wasn't very humble, I guess. I'm working on it. Show me the way, sensai.) |
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Post by Bowies Big Di on Aug 26, 2006 0:28:10 GMT -5
yeah billiey. why you such a *******? and if you're going to be a ******, can't you liven it up with some pictures of nuns so at least we have something visually stimulating to look at? *****! i want my nun eye candy and i want it now!
oh ****. i've said too much.
no, mt, i'm maria. i'm sorry i've got a huge stick up my glowy butt. but i'm unfulfilled sexually and i have to take it out on someone. thems the breaks i guess.
*Sorry, Bowie, although I am intrigued by the way you are able to fool the language editor (and because I can see into your post, I now know how to do it), I had to edit out the language - Bella (winking at Bowie)*
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Post by fuglyeunuch on Aug 26, 2006 0:44:34 GMT -5
"After all, how many people remember bad boy Apolo who rigged the National's (supposedly and there is plenty of circumstantial and annecdotal evidence) so his buddy could be on the team, or Apolo who rolled his car at SL or the early Apolo who was definitely not known as a good sport but a trash talker on the start line?" This is why some of us wonder why some of you are on an Apolo fan board and are surprised that we like Apolo. Do you not understand what a fan board is? Most of us do remember the rigging investigation and that there was no evidence found to support it, that the auto accident was apparently due to black ice (you're kidding, right?--being in an automobile accident is a character flaw?), and the trash talking was a remnant of his inline skating years where it was the norm which he dropped when he saw it wasn't done in speed skating. Why post on a board where you either don't like or aren't interested in the subject? I'd just like to go on record as saying I like Apolo, but if I have to tip toe on this site for fear of offending someone if I mention that his chest was sunken looking in the Hawaiin pictures and nothng like that Cosmo cover I keep framed and by the exercise bike for inspiration then I'm in the wrong place and will, um, "bugger off" I think was the phrase. I like hearing he was a bit of a bad boy. If he was a complete goody two shoes, I'd feel like a real molester when I have my wicked way with him in my fantasies. Also, being intelligent, I can't help but note that "no evidence" of rigging the race at Nationals is nothing remotely like "innocent" of the charges. And trash talking, whether it is the norm in a sport or not is still not "sportsmanlike." As for rolling the car with or without the black ice, I'll reserve judgement short of seeing a police report. Rolling a car even with ice is a pretty impressive, oops. So glad no one was hurt. |
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Post by jay on Aug 26, 2006 0:48:32 GMT -5
can someone tell me the story of how Apolo's car got rolled-barrel or something like that?
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Post by Bowie is the Goblin King on Aug 26, 2006 0:53:37 GMT -5
jay, what happened was he rollin down the street smoking endo, sipping on gin and juice, laaaaid back...then, BAM! he rolled his car over and smashed a bunch of old people. so tragic.
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